truth of the fallen angels

In the study of angels, many have a fascination with the "fallen" angels , myth and legend have taken the concept of these angels and created many horror stories , movies and books have been created to give us all a sense of fear and loathing about the fallen
I hope that this information will help to ease the discomfort these angels seem to cause in the heart of man
when we talk about the fallen angels , we must first consider the watchers this l has been passed down through generations to create one myth of "fallen" angels
we then have to go back to the the war In heaven , many religions have this concept in their teachings , what happened to cause the war in heaven, the generally accepted involves the creation of humanity.
god desired that all humans in heaven bow down to for him each day without acception , and Lucifer refused. He wasn't the only one, and this became a major bone of contention among the angels , At the same time as Lucifer disobeying god in heaven, the angels who were evidently something different than the being of pure living fire that most of their companions were, went down to earth on a mission from god to teach human beings certain tasks
these angels saw that the women of earth were beautiful and became in love for them they mated with them , and as a result were cast from heaven. a great war rose up
they spend a time bewailing their lost heaven , a place of infinite beauty and happiness guarded by sin and death , sin who was Lucifer's lover in heaven and once an angel herself, releases Lucifer that is only the beginning of what has been a long-standing relationship between Lucifer and humankind
originally in the old testament , the name ''satan'' is a word for an office, and the angel investing that office is not apostate or fallen( and christianity has make it a bad word) , he becomes this way in the new testament when he emerges as Satan(capital S), the enemy of god , originally ha-satan was a great angel, Chief of Seraphim, and head of the order of virtues , through Isaiah 14:12 he has been identified with Lucifer
Lucifer, on the other hand, is called "light-giver" He is equated with Satan , this is the scripture which gives the misrepresentation:
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning," an apostrophe which applied to Nebuchadnezzer, king of babylon , It should be pointed out that the authors of the books of the OT knew nothing of fallen or ''evil'' angels, and do not mention them , although, at times , the lord "put no trust," in his angels and "charged them with folly," which indicates that angels were not all that they should be , the name Lucifer was applied to satan by st. Jerome and other church fathers , Lucifer connotes star, and applies (or originally meant to apply) to the morning or evening star (venus).
another name still is los ,the agent of divine providence, "the laborer of ages." since his fall, he has spent 6000 years trying to give form to the world :"I am that shadow Prophet who, 6000 years ago/fell(actually walked away) from my station
this shows that Lucifer, Los, and the other names , are actually good angels because through the years , the names have been mixed up , now it makes one think...god's name never gets mixed up, Jesus' name never gets mixed up , the prophets don't, then why Lucifer? because it could be just a myth where the details have changed over the years , Its like all faiths say, god is the one thing that remains constant. and I guess this is true , we must also remember that god allows things to happen in our lives , the bible says god created ALL things , this also means angels , the fallen, the dark side of the force if you will , without the balance , there is no way to appreciate the good in our lives. Just suppose!!!- that the war in heaven was needed, that god allowed it , and that ''the evil'' one was assigned the task of trying to create the dark side?? , If it was not allowed, it would not have been done yes, Im sure the angels had their free will too, and if the''evil'' one, whatever name you want to call it, chose not to be a part of this plan, Im sure that god would have found someone else to help him , hell (what in fact doesn't exist) has not really been created yet , the bible says "heaven and earth shall pass away", meaning that there will be a new heaven and a new hell on the day of reckoning

and so this is one ''information'' the short one but its like what it is , i mean Lucifer has always been there for humankind and still is so this is all whats its all about , and in time people will appriciate all he has done for humankind , without interferness from god

makes one think about things ah doesn't it

was it correct for god to punish adam and eve and all humans thereafter for an action taken by eve and then adam. after all god knew in advance that the Lucifer would inform them,. god knew that eve would take the fruit from the forbidden tree and eat of it. god knew this. god made the angels and Lucifer, the humans, the tree and all other things. god knew all that would happen. why do god punish all humans for what god knew in advance god"s creatures would do?

since god made Lucifer and knew what Lucifer would do and since god does not stop Lucifer, why isn’t god responsible for the things that happens? why is it acceptable for god to punish others for what god could stop?

the Bible tells us in deuteronomy 18:10-13; "there shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the lord, and because of these abominations the lord your god drives them out from before you. you shall be blameless before the lord your god." sure thing and why you think this is?,- they would know the truth if they did this , so they would be in contact with us

they gave Lucifer other titles in the Scripture which describe his character and his method. these include: 1) Satan (Matthew 12:26) a Hebrew word meaning "the resistor or adversary." 2) Devil (John 8:44), 3) Father of Lies (John 8:44) He is not just a liar, he is the father of lies. 4) Accuser of our brothers, (Revelation 12:10), 5) Beelzebub (Mark 3:22, 23) meaning "Lord of dunghill." 6) Belial (2 Corinthians 6:15) meaning "worthlessness", 7) Power of Death (Hebrews 2:14), 8) Evil One (1 John 2:13), 9) Ruler of This World, in 2 Corinthians the enemy is even called "the god of this world", the two titles should give us some idea of the tremendous scope of Lucifers power and activity on the earth. 10) Prince of the Power of the Air (Ephesians 2:1, 2) the enemy's power, in our age, is operative not only on the earth, but also in space. 11) Angel of Light (2 Corinthians 11:14) and no wonder, for Lucifer himself masquerades as an angel of light. 12) Angel of the Abyss (Revelation 9:11), 13) Abadoon (Revelation 9:11), 14) Murderer (John 8:44), 15) Dragon (Revelation 12:10), 16) Enemy (I Peter 5:8), 17) Tempter (Matthew 4:3), 18) guardian cherub (Ezekiel 28:14), 19) Prince of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:12), 20) morning star is another name of Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12), 21) Roaring Lion (I Peter 5:8), 22) Serpent (Genesis 3:1), 23) Strong man (Luke 11:21). 24) spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient (Ephesians 2:11) so all they do is just making Him look bad but this is only in the eyes of those godist , i mean He just is te only light people have and the only one who dare spread out the truth

well hope i didn't bother ya with this but i wanted you to know who Lucifer realy is just the barier of light the one with the truth

Lucifer - is a force for good 'Lucifer' means 'light-bringer' and this should begin to clue us in to his symbolic importance. The story is that God threw Lucifer out of Heaven because Lucifer had started to question God and was spreading dissension among the angels. We must remember that this story is told from the point of view of the Godists. The truth is just as easily be that Lucifer resigned from heaven.

God, being the well-documented sadist that he is, no doubt wanted to keep Lucifer around so that he could punish him and try to get him back under his (God's) power. Probably what really happened was that Lucifer came to hate God's kingdom, his sadism, his demand for slavish conformity and obedience, his psychotic rage at any display of independent thinking and behavior. Lucifer realized that he could never fully think for himself and could certainly not act on his independent thinking so long as he was under God's control. Therefore he left Heaven, that terrible spiritual-State ruled by the cosmic sadist god and was accompanied by some of the angels who had had enough courage to question God's authority and his value-perspective.

Lucifer is the embodiment of reason, of intelligence, of critical thought. He stands against the dogma of God and all other dogmas. He stands for the exploration of new ideas and new perspectives in the pursuit of truth.

god demands that we believe everything that he tells us, and that we do everything that he says without questioning , destroy a tribe including the women, children and animals down to last one? (Joshua 6.21). Why of course. wait a minute, this doesn't seem very nice. SILENCE FOOL. HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME. I AM GOD AND YOU MUST OBEY ME WITHOUT QUESTIONING. ACCEPT WHAT I SAY ON FAITH. BURN THOSE WHO DARE QUESTION MY WORD. DESTROY THEIR BOOKS. SHUT DOWN THEIR SCHOOLS. TELL THEM THAT DISOBEDIENCE MEANS THAT THEY WILL BURN FOREVER AND EVER, IN UNIMAGINABLE AGONY FOR ALL ETERNITY, AND REMEMBER THAT YOU WILL SUFFER THE SAME UNLESS YOU GO OUT AND TELL THEM THIS. yes sir, god sir, whatever you say. See, here I am burning their books, pulling out their nails, torturing them for questioning church dogma, banning the use of anaesthetic in child-bearing (since the pain is their just punishment for the acts of adam and eve). Help! I thought an improper thought! Help me to blind my mind god, help me to not see what my reason tells me. let me repress thoughts of sexual desire, doubts about you and your orders, feelings of tolerance.

they call Lucifer the Prince of Lies , a lie is defined by the christian as anything which contradicts the word of god - as told to us by the bible and god's representatives on earth. If we accept this definition of a lie then we should praise lies. a "lie" is then a questioning of blind dogma. the "lies" of Lucifer are attacks on irrational beliefs, beliefs based on fear and conformity to authority. of course we should not call these lies. they are temptations to think for ourselves, a call for independent thought, a plea for taking responsibility for our own thinking and our own lives. praise the pursuit of truth through rationality. god was right to tell us to not worship false idols, but he refrained from telling us that all idols are false, and that all worship is dangerous. even our praise of Lucifer must not be worship of an idol, but rather an expression of our agreement with his value-orientation and his perspective.

god and his godists hate Lucifer's call for rationality. critical thinking digs at the very roots of god's and their power over our minds. Independent thinkers do not make good slaves. Lucifer is the Prince of Lies because he is an expert at helping us to be rational. He shows us how to use our intelligence and how to take responsibility for ourselves. we should emulate Him in encouraging this trend in ourselves and in others. He needs help since he is working against the laziness and neuroticism of many humans. It's so much easier to just not try to think, to sit back and let other people tell you what you should do, what to believe, and where to give your money. why, if I had to think for myself I would have to face the fact that I might be wrong. Horrors! I would have to think carefully about my life and the reality that I live in carefully and that would take a lot of work. no, it's much easier to have faith, to accept, to believe, to obey.

god also hates us to enjoy ourselves, If we let ourselves experience too much pleasure then we might lose interest in obeying him. we might start running our own lives to bring us positive rewards rather than directing ourselves to avoid his wrath. we might become focussed on pursuing the positive instead of avoiding the negative. that would result in the downfall, of religious and state authority, so god has to stamp out such tendencies. he hates Lucifer who keeps turning up and tempting us to have a good time, to enjoy our lives. adam and eve's sin was to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. they dared to disobey a direct order which god expected them to obey without question, blindly. they acquired reason and intelligence, and an ability to decide for themselves the values that they would pursue. ever since them humans have been uppity - always giving god trouble. dammit, even some of the Catholics are questioning the pope's infallibility. well that's just tough god; some of us are going to do our best to see that humans continue to become even more difficult to handle - both by you and by your human followers on earth - the religious authorities and the statists

god likes altruism, altruism understood as true self-sacrifice and not as giving up a minor value to achieve a more important one (which is just one aspect of rationality). If god can just get us all to be good altruists then we will be so much easier to control. altruists do what they are told without complaint; a complaint would be based in self-interest; it would be a claim to live one's own life without having to direct it towards the lives of others or towards the interests of god or "the State". Lucifer perseveres in trying to point out to us that we have no reason to accept altruism. we can choose our values for ourselves, just as we can think for ourselves. Lucifer himself values the pursuit of happiness, knowledge, and new experiences. most of all he values self-responsibility and independence even if that means that some people will not choose to value the things that he values. the extropians among us who share his perspectives and value- orientation should help him in his work.

god had a clever and nasty strategy to promote altruism and therefore obedience. he tries to get us to believe in original sin. he wants us to believe that we are born sinful, that we were evil and needed saving even before we had done anything. we need god and his agents to save us from sin otherwise we will burn FOREVER and we will miss out on an infinite and perfect reward (though he never tells us just what this is). our path to salvation lies in service to god, selfless self-sacrificial service to god and his dogma. without the idea of original sin we might not be so careful to obey god since we might figure that we were living pretty well and would go to heaven anyway (foolishly failing to inquire what heaven is like). fortunately for god, original sin guarantees that we will always feel under threat. we will always be unclean and in danger of suffering hellfire.

to make quite sure that our personal responsibility is destroyed, and that we put ourselves in god's hands for him to mould us as he wishes, god and his moronic minions repeatedly tells us that Jesus Christ is the Way and that he died for our sins. redemption lies through faith and obedience. notice what happens when christ supposedly died for our sins. his act brought about our possibility of salvation. what I want to know is: how can someone else's act excuse me from anything? I am responsible for my own actions. nothing that I do can take away the fact that someone else acting in a certain way, and nothing that they can do can absolve me of my own responsibility. original sin and salvation by christ are both deeply offensive ideas to me and to all extropians who value individual responsibility.

In ending this discussion, I want to remind you that you are all popes. you are all you own highest authority. you are the source of your action. you choose your values - whether you do so actively or by default. you choose what to believe, how strongly to believe, and what you will take as disconfirming evidence. no one has authority over you - you are your own authority, your own value-chooser, your own thinker. join extropy in fighting god and his entropic forces with our minds, our wills, and our courage. god's army is strong, (but is loosing many of the angels who will join us ) but they are backed by ignorance, fear, and cowardice. reality is fundamentally on our side. forward into the light!